"Science, correcting the errors of God daily" - I respond to this.

So, in summary it isn’t logically impermissible for a perfect God to have imperfect beings… I respond to a tweet as shown in the body of this substack

These was the exchange in this image

https://x.com/DrOaikhena/status/1913745180185723012

I posted this here https://x.com/De_GreatKhan/status/1914288206251544758

Let me try to address this….(long thread)

The atheistic community needs to decide, does God exist or not?

However, from your accompanying tweets I can tell you aren’t arguing about God’s existence exactly(you have made up your mind - he doesn’t) you are instead saying

“The Christians claim God is perfect, if he is perfect why will he create a being with this(eye) defect”

This is a fair enough position but again this can still be interpreted by saying “Are you instead arguing that maybe God exists but he is not perfect?”

I’m still not convinced this is where you are at, I lastly believe that you are instead saying “A perfect God wouldn’t create a child with a defect(strabismus), since we see defects in his “creation” it means God doesn’t exist, let alone a perfect God”

I believe my last paragraph explains your position better(correct me if I am wrong), and it seems to be a variation of the “argument of the problem of evil”(which many have wrestled with since forever) however, I still find a hole in this….

“The Christian God as explained in the bible is said to be perfect, and his story as told in the bible also points to him allowing and being aware of what we consider imperfect”

What I am saying is, “it is not a logical contradiction to have a perfect God with creations that are (by our standards) imperfect” for the following reasons…

-> The bible reveals to the christians, accounts of what we perceive as “imperfect creations” from our so called “perfect creator,” The christian dogma of God being perfect doesn’t collapse because for example our Perfect God created Adam an imperfect being who disobeyed him… The story of this religion has been one filled with decisions, actions and events that are far away from what one may expect from a universe created by a perfect being, based on this point your claim only stands if you erect a strawman(next paragraph)

-> If you are aware of the Christian narrative and how imperfections seems to be the order of the day then you are doing nothing here than erecting your own standards that is you demand a certain level of perfection for you to agree that this perfect God is perfect, so, you will prefer to see a world free of eye defects, or this God is not perfect. At this juncture sire you are not dealing with the factors as presented in Christianity but you are creating your standards - erecting a strawman.

Now, you can criticise Christianity’s position by saying “why do they believe in a perfect God when we see evidence of imperfection” and the christian can respond with points like;

It could have a spiritual implication they don’t fully grasp - like Job.

They could also say “for his will to be done” as seen in the bible in relation to a certain blind man(if I recall correctly) where Jesus said he was created blind for his will to be done…. Examples like this show that most times the explanations are more than the physical realm.

The bible points to how perfection was the initial plan until the fall of man.

The Christian can even go further to say “this happened for the necessity for humans acting on their free will to invent science” (I will break this further down there)

To a materialist, these might sound like “God of the gaps” excuses, and I get why. But they’re consistent with the Bible, which Christians take as their authority. Bottom line: It’s not logically impossible for a perfect God to allow imperfect creations.

So, in summary it isn’t logically impermissible for a perfect God to have imperfect beings… With how advanced Teslas are and the numerous accolades they receive, and despite all the defects that have been recorded so far no one would call Teslas or Elon Musk(Tesla engineers) incompetent or imperfect, by our standards those guys are the best the world has to offer.

Now, addressing the second part of this response, the science part…

Sir, I have noticed something with some in the atheistic community, they always seem to act like “science is a branch of atheism” like science is this trump card that they have brought out from their stacks to finally put a pin to the coffin of Christianity.

Personally, I disagree, science is a repository of knowledge that both worldviews can draw from;

the worldview of those who believe in a mind behind the universe(theist) and

the worldview with the believe that the universe is mindless, unguided and random(atheist).

I further find it funny when you realise that almost all if not all of the founding fathers of modern day science were Christians, they weren’t Christians in name only but very dedicated Christians(of course with disputes like Galileo), Newton for example the father of physics had more theological materials than scientific, in fact his “principia mathematicia” which is arguably the greatest work in physics was spurned from his theological background.

Contemporary historians agree on this single fact, CHRISTIANITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ORCHESTRATING MODERN SCIENCE, you should note that almost all if not all of the world’s first and oldest universities were in one way or the other founded by the church.

So, using “science as an axe against Christianity isn’t exactly a win in my opinion”

Thank you, I’m open to responses.